tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post3044147442265611988..comments2024-01-17T13:16:10.378-08:00Comments on Joseph4GI: Circumcision Indicted in Yet Another Death: Rabbis and Mohels are "Upset"Josephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-32730689044919609892012-03-12T18:14:08.075-07:002012-03-12T18:14:08.075-07:00I see this as nothing more than a cheap and easy w...I see this as nothing more than a cheap and easy way to stifle debate.<br /><br />The Japanese use it too whenever whaling is questioned. Whaling proponents in Japan have used, and continue to use accusations of "racism" to defend their practices, which, strangely enough, is backed by "research." (Guess who wrote the research?)<br /><br />The anti-Semite card depends on the assumption that circumcision is exclusive to Jews. It ignores the fact that the overwhelming majority of circumcisions that go on in the US are gentile, secular circumcisions that happen at hospitals. It ignores the fact that intactivists oppose all circumcision, and attack it at every front, not just the "religious tradition" side.<br /><br />If being against the forced genital mutilation of boys makes me "anti-Semite," then being against the forced genital mutilation of girls must make me anti-Malaysian, or anti-Indonesian, or anti-Bruneian etc...<br /><br />Quite ridiculous.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-67566332819175543232012-03-12T17:13:45.634-07:002012-03-12T17:13:45.634-07:00I am not a scholar, but I cannot help noticing tha...I am not a scholar, but I cannot help noticing that, according to some scholars, anti-Semites tend to be fierce opponents of circumcision. Robin Judd (Contested Rituals [Ithaca: Cornell UP, 2007], p. 124), commenting on pre-war Germany, says:<br /><br />"Antisemitic depictions of both rites (that is, circumcision and kosher butchering) materialized in joke books, novels, cartoons, medical treatises, and pamphlets. Participants drew from antisemitic rhetoric, and antisemitic organizations and individuals frequently participated in the debates..."<br /><br />Apparently, examples do exist that testify to this. Nevertheless, my impression is that, as a general rule, racists and anti-Semites are not particularly concerned with circumcision. A quick search on Google Books reveals that circumcision is not mentioned even once in Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf. Psychologist Kevin B. MacDonald should probably be seen as a modern proponent of anti-Semitism. As can be seen from his books, available at most university libraries, he has no interest whatever in discussing circumcision. The same holds for David Irving, a "revisionist."<br /><br />The suggestion that most intactivists are motivated by anti-Semitism is a gross exaggeration and unsupported by evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-42595859878796205052012-03-12T07:35:32.475-07:002012-03-12T07:35:32.475-07:00There's no doubt about it. I've nothing pe...There's no doubt about it. I've nothing personal against Jews per se, but it seems whenever they want to silence criticism they have to pull out the anti-Semite card and invoke the holocaust, don't they....<br /><br />Regarding bringing attention to Metzitzah B'Peh, I think attention should be brought to every aspect of circumcision, and this is just one of them.<br /><br />There are a lot of erroneous attitudes that, when one steps back, are really just self-serving special pleading.<br /><br />Defenders of male circumcision always make little covert contracts that "circumcision is unproblematic if (insert your alibi here)."<br /><br />In this case you bring up "sterile conditions." But female circumcision can and is also executed in "sterile conditions," but it still manages to be "much worse because... (more excuses here that only apply to male circumcision)."<br /><br />Circumcision is "unproblematic" because "little boys can't remember and older girls remember it the rest of their lives." But baby girls in South East Asia can't remember their sunat, and older boys in the Philippines and the Middle East will most definitely remember their circumcisions.<br /><br />Then it's about the "potential medical benefits." But no number of "benefits" would ever legitimize female circumcision in any way shape or form.<br /><br />The list will not end.<br /><br />In the end, any way you slice it, it's genital mutilation. Notice the new part of my blog banner.<br /><br />Genital mutilation, whether it be wrapped in culture, religion or "research," is still genital mutilation.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-81937593742784382012-03-12T06:47:33.294-07:002012-03-12T06:47:33.294-07:00Thanks for this informative post.
I still believe...Thanks for this informative post.<br /><br />I still believe that, however upsetting this ritual may be, the intactivist community should not focus too heavily on circumcisions of this particular type. It would only contribute to the erroneous attitude that circumcision is unproblematic as long as the operation is done under sterile conditions.<br /><br />In France, the act of sucking the blood from the circumcised penis was banned in 1854; see <br /><br />http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=70<br /><br />It would be interesting to know whether or not this ban has been used by Jewish scholars as "evidence" of anti-Semitism in nineteenth-century France.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-75451990766179671132012-03-12T05:23:27.397-07:002012-03-12T05:23:27.397-07:00I hear that when others bring up metzitzah b'p...I hear that when others bring up metzitzah b'peh, Jewish often people deny it even exists left and right, accusing those who dare bring it up of "anti-Semitism" and "blood-libel."<br /><br />Well, it's documented in books and it's all over the news.<br /><br />They can deny no longer...Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-36986716387938934242012-03-12T02:59:32.927-07:002012-03-12T02:59:32.927-07:00Thank you for the nice photo of the c.cksucking mo...Thank you for the nice photo of the c.cksucking mohel.<br /><br />I could not find a photo when I wrote this<br /><br /><a href="http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/religion/sucking-infants-penis-is-legal-in-the-us-if-you-first-cut-off-his-foreskin-without-anesthesia" rel="nofollow">Sucking infant’s penis is legal in the US! If you first cut off his foreskin without anesthesia!</a>Human-Stupidity.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01415167814446085472noreply@blogger.com