tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post1101174212834751935..comments2024-01-17T13:16:10.378-08:00Comments on Joseph4GI: "I Did My Research" - The Quest for Scientific VindicationJosephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-79964004999248021282013-08-06T14:49:37.155-07:002013-08-06T14:49:37.155-07:00What was the name of the hospital, Karen? These un...What was the name of the hospital, Karen? These unscrupulous rogues, child snatchers and mutilators do not deserve the benefit of anonymity. Please post it here and on Facebook as well as Intactivist websites that may catch your attention. Get your story out there. It's one that needs be told. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623423363926488310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-36817119479245532502013-06-18T15:53:34.963-07:002013-06-18T15:53:34.963-07:00Oh, and in practice it's often pushed on the p...Oh, and in practice it's often pushed on the parents or at least assumed to be the norm, with parents who want to leave their child's genitals alone being treated as abusive freaks. When I had my oldest, we repeatedly declined circ but they were so keen on circumcising him that when I went to the bathroom, I took him with me to keep them from taking him against my will. My husband and I had to take turns staying awake and watching him because they tried to get him in the middle of the night when we were asleep. That's hardly leaving it up to parental preference.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02749281258625009588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-74704367461059827182013-06-18T15:50:00.293-07:002013-06-18T15:50:00.293-07:00What I took from the AAP position was "The be...What I took from the AAP position was "The benefits of us getting reimbursed for performing this procedure outweigh the risks to the subject of the procedure." If parents are more than happy to pay big bucks to have their sons mutilated, if Medicare reimburses for circumcision, what would be the AAP's motivation to discourage parents from seeking it? That would be like a car salesman promoting bike paths or a realtor telling people to sell their homes FSBO. Not going to happen!<br /><br />In spite of the fact that we like to believe we have the most advanced medical system in the world, ever, we're really no different from the times when it was considered ethically sound to perform medical experimentation on minorities and the mentally disabled. Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02749281258625009588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-69618501360681060502013-06-18T14:54:22.596-07:002013-06-18T14:54:22.596-07:00What I encounter more often is "We've mad...What I encounter more often is "We've made our minds up, don't confuse us with the facts." The AAP proved what can be done with a selective bibliography. There are enough poorly done studies to support circumcision to make circumcised men feel better about themselves.<br /><br />What was most telling about the AAP position is that they were not able to come to a definitive position, but rather pushed the decision off on to the parents. This was quite the cowardly thing to do. Rather than review all of the literature, not just the studies that made them feel better about being circumcised, and take a position based on the science and the ethics, the AAP showed that they don't want to take responsibility for infant circumcision, but they do want their members to be paid for performing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-548248685729133691.post-33148878654838874202013-06-18T14:17:11.957-07:002013-06-18T14:17:11.957-07:00The AAP Policy of August 2012 was presented with a...The AAP Policy of August 2012 was presented with a huge media display of propaganda and pretty much everyone heard that "the benefits outweigh the risks" which is repeated over and over through the Policy and the accompanying Technical Report.<br /><br />That's pretty much all the information that most Americans will need. However, if some of them would bother to actually read the technical report (what a concept! whew!), they would find a (poorly written) paragraph repeated 4 times:<br /><br />"Parents should weigh the health<br />benefits and risks in light of their<br />own religious, cultural, and personal<br />preferences, as the medical<br />benefits alone may not outweigh<br />these other considerations for individual<br />families." <br /><br />This sounds like some families may not circumcise for religious, cultural or preference reasons, when it's actually quite the opposite. What the paragraph really, REALLY means (even if written to sound like the opposite) is that the "benefits" alone are not enough, but that the AAP justifies parents circumcising because of religious, cultural, or (gasp!) parental preference.<br /><br />The other interesting thing is that the AAP reduced the equation to RISK and BENEFITS. They did not consider the actual HARM. Removing the frenulum is harm. Removing the mobility of the skin is harm. Removing the nerve endings of the ridged band is harm. Exposing the glans to damage is harm. Harm that always occurs by the very nature of the procedure. Harm that cannot be discounted because a number of volunteers in Africa considered that their sexual function was fine within 2 years of the procedure - as Dr. Ronald Gray would like us to discount.<br /><br />Circumcision advocates would like parents to think that circumcision is another decision just like vaccination, given that vaccines also carry some risks. What can't be said of vaccines is that they carry specific harm 100% guaranteed like circumcision does.<br /><br />Gray, Morris and the other usual suspects in "A snip in time" state that "While these various psychological problems should be mitigated by making MC normative in a community, just as with most fears and anxieties, the prospect of<br />such concerns would be largely eliminated if MC were performed in infancy". This is a terribly Machiavellian scheme. Make circumcision normative in a community, perform it in infancy, and nobody will complain!<br /><br />That paper is particularly Machiavellian, how about this: "Other desirable features of infant MC are the surgical ease of performing a circumcision on an immobile new-born, the speed of the operation, absence of any need to use sutures, quick healing, and good cosmetic outcome".<br /><br />The big mistake of parents is to search for "benefits of circumcision". Of course this will lead them to the AAP's propaganda or to Brian Morris' website or one of the many clinics that promote the procedure. In general, if you start out by believing that circumcision is beneficial, you will find benefits to justify your preconception within seconds, and if you don't look any deeper or read the small letter then you just act like they want you to act.dreamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14708824168962037873noreply@blogger.com