Showing posts with label sensitivity. Show all posts
Showing posts with label sensitivity. Show all posts

Friday, January 5, 2024

"I Said Stop!!!" - Is Orgasm Too Intense for Circumcised Men?

 

This is going to be a little bit different than most other blog posts I write.

Usually, I post to report some finding or to comment on something.

But for this, admittedly, it's uncharted territory, it's more of an inquiry and an invitation for people to share their experiences.

I'm going to come out and say that I have by biases as an intactivist.

As far as I know, male circumcision was taken up by Western Medicine during the Victorian period as a possible solution to masturbation, which was seen as the root of all evil. Circumcision was supposed to desensitize the penis, making it difficult to masturbate, and, if research is correct, that's precisely what it does.

Circumcision necessarily results in the desensitization of the penis, because it removes hundreds if not thousands of specialized nerve endings, and the exposed glans and surrounding mucosa become dry and develop a layer of keratin over time in a process called keratinization. It is a well-known fact that circumcised men often find it difficult to masturbate without artificial lubrication, such as K-Y Jelly or Vaseline.

 


 

Sorrells et al found that circumcised penises become desensitized by a factor of 4.

It had long been established and well-documented that circumcision diminished sensation and made it difficult to masturbate. This was the whole reason for its adaptation.

And yet, here and there, I have often heard circumcised men comment to the effect that "I don't need any more sensation. If I had any more sensation I'd have a heart attack!"

For the longest time I wanted to ignore such men, because in my head, I thought they were merely playing Aesop's fox to sour grapes.

 


 "They're bluffing," I thought.

"They must be overcompensating for the fact that they're circumcised and there's nothing they can do about it," or so I thought.

It's impossible.

They can't possibly be feeling the sensations they say they do. How could they?

But then I started talking to my circle of friends. People who had gone around the block. Female friends, male gay friends, and they all talked about a particular phenomenon that they had experienced with circumcised sex partners.

This wasn't the case with every circumcised man, as men are cut differently. Some men are cut loose, others as tight as a drum, and then some men have more, some have less sensitive inner mucosa left, others have retained their frenulum, others not, so every man is different.

Still, I kept hearing about this phenomenon where, a friend would be having sex with a circumcised man, or s/he would be performing fellatio on him, and things would be going well. But all of a sudden, there is this sudden rise of intensity, the circumcised man orgasms, ejaculates, and all of a sudden he does not want to be touched.

My friends would report that after being mounted, often times what will happen is, the guy gets off, rolls over and, instead of cuddling, the guy pushes his partner away. While my friends reported they'd like to stay together, spoon, hug, etc., their partners would often rather not want to be touched.

One of my friends said that one time, she was fellating a partner, there was that sudden jump in intensity, her partner climaxed and ejaculated, but she wanted to continue fellating him. She said he yelled "I said STOP!!!", as he pushed her away.

This is the darndest thing.

Just recently, I was having conversations about sex with two different male friends. One of them is gay, the other one is straight, both cut. It occurred to me to ask them about their experience with their partners. I asked them if they had experienced what I'm talking about, and they both answered with a resounding "YES."

One friend, the straight one, told me that, he feels rather desensitized for the most part. When a woman is going down on him, he says he has to ask her to suck hard like a vacuum cleaner, because otherwise he can't feel anything. He says that the intensity will build up, but it rises suddenly, very suddenly, he'll orgasm, ejaculate, but he has to ask his partner to stop, because oftentimes they like to keep going. It's as if, after orgasm, his penis becomes super extra sensitive and he can't handle anyone touching it.

My gay friend, who is a top, tells me that he'll be penetrating a partner, but then once he orgasms, "It comes to be too much," he says. He says his partners often want him to stay inside, but this is something he's had to "work" on. Otherwise he too wants to pull out as soon as possible and demand to be left alone for a while, while it wears off. I ask him what he thinks it could be, and he said that perhaps its that circumcision may have "re-wired" his penis. This would make sense; circumcision severs the nerves connected to the foreskin, and after this, the nerves would have to reconfigure themselves to fire differently, wouldn't they.

I don't know how this works; it sounds like something researchers should definitely be looking into.

For me this seems something like a paradox. On the one hand, men circumcised men become desensitized. But at the same time, some men seem to become super sensitive after orgasm. This must be what circumcised men mean when they say "I couldn't handle more sensitivity than I have now."

I for one can't identify with this experience; after orgasm, I prefer to stay as deep and as close to my wife as possible and I would never push her away.

But how widespread is this phenomenon?

This can't happen with every circumcised guy.

Can it?

Is this something scientists and researchers need to be looking into?

If it negatively impacts intimate experiences with partners, I should hope so.

It would be interesting to hear what other people's experiences are.

I invite you to please comment below.

Related Links:

Male Infant Circumcision is Genital Mutilation
 
Male Infant Circumcision Has No Basis in Modern Medicine
 
External Links:
 
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis
 
Male circumcision decreases penile sensitivity as measured in a large cohort

Sunday, June 26, 2016

FRANCE: French Surgeon Heavily Fined for Circumcision


This was recent news, but on the count of I can't read French, I just recently got wind of it. Were it not for a fellow intactivist who translated this from French to English, I may have never heard of it.


The original article in French can be accessed here. (Last accessed 6/26/2016)


I'm not going to comment on it, as I think it's pretty self-explanatory.

CIRCUMCISION: French Surgeon Heavily Fined
June 24, 2016

A French man has won a conviction against the surgeon who circumcised him as an adult. The court acknowledged sexual harm and ethical harm following the lack of information on alternatives to circumcision.

In early 2016, the Tribunal de Grande Instance (TGI) in Paris ruled on a dispute between a patient and his surgeon, a member of the French Association of Urology. In 2007, then aged 26, the patient was circumcised by his surgeon for an indication of a phimosis. Not only did the surgeon not inform him about the risks and consequences associated with this action, but he failed to propose less invasive alternative therapies.

Deeply affected by the injury, especially by a loss of sensation following the removal of his foreskin, the victim of this procedure decided to sue the surgeon in court and won the case.

After an investigation which revealed that the recommendation to circumcise was made "arbitrarily", and further that the operation had not been carried out properly, the Paris Court fined the surgeon almost 32,000 euros in compensation:

- € 5000 for moral damage resulting from the lack of information given;
- € 3000 for physical and mental suffering;
- € 250 for temporary functional deficit and € 3,560 for permanent functional deficit;
- € 20,000 for sexual harm because, inter alia, "a partial loss of the ability to access pleasure."

Essentially, what can we learn from this judgment?

- The law does not tolerate circumcision as the only therapeutic solution proposed by the medical profession in cases of phimosis;
- The law recognizes that foreskin removal can cause a loss of sexual pleasure; and
- The law recognizes that circumcision, practiced even in a medical setting, can cause considerable and currently irreparable damage.

This is a landmark judgment: the time has come for circumcision victims not to hesitate to prosecute those responsible for their mutilation.

There's been a policy of covering-up, and medical insurance, public or private, will have to make a 180 degree turn: in France, circumcision simply has no place in health care practices, except in extremely rare exceptions. How many circumcisions are performed each year on infants or children under the guise of "phimosis" in order to receive a payment by the medical system? * This fraud is all the more immoral considering it generates great suffering, as illustrated by the testimony of victims, among others.

This judgment confirms the position of the organization Droit au Corps; namely, that we need to have a public debate surrounding consent to circumcision.

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* In Belgium in 2014, 25,698 circumcisions were performed at a cost of 2.6 million euros (from among 11 million inhabitants).

Related Posts:
Phimosis and Circumcision in Japan

Phony Phimosis: How American Doctors Get Away With Medical Fraud

What Your Dr. Doesn't Know Could Hurt Your Child

Saturday, March 2, 2013

African Prostitutes: "Circumcised Men Take Too Long"


Along with a "60% reduction in HIV transmission," circumcision "researchers" in Africa promise that circumcision "doesn't diminish sex life" for men.

In fact, not only does it not negatively affect men, circumcision boosts sex life for both men and their partners!

Why, their "research" confirms it. And we all know that the more "researchers" promoters quote, (especially if it's "research" they conducted themselves) the truer their statements are.

But as I always say on this blog, there is something wrong with "research" and "findings" that don't correlate with reality.

A random survey was recently conducted amongst sex workers in the Harare red light district, Zimbabwe, by publication Zim Diaspora, which has made some interesting discoveries.

Apparently there are different prices for circumcised vs. intact clients, and circumcised men get charged more.

The reasoning behind this is that circumcised men take longer to orgasm, perhaps due to a diminished sensitivity, as a result of the removal of nerve endings in the foreskin. A longer sex session means less time to spend with other customers, and therefore a loss in potential clientele.

Said one prostitute to Zim Diaspora: "You see the problem with circumcised clients is they take too long to complete a single round. I might risk losing revenue from other clients and waste time on one guy for the same price, so we therefore push our charges upwards if one is circumcised."


According to other sex workers, the price increase can be from 20 to 30 US dollars if the client in circumcised.

Diminished sensation and therefore a longer sex session makes sense, considering research that shows that circumcision removes the most sensitive part of the penis.

According to the Sorrells sensitivity study, which measured different points on the intact and circumcised penis, the foreskin contains the most sensitive parts of the penis, which are more sensitive than the most sensitive parts of the circumcised penis.


In addition, research outside the all-too-famous "African trials" fails to coincide with "researcher" claims that circumcision makes sex great and wonderful.

A Danish study found that "Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment," for example.

Another recent study from Belgum found that circumcised men reported decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity. Coinciding with the Zim Diaspora survey, circumcised men in the Belgian study reported that more effort was needed to achieve orgasm.

Be that as it may, some promoters of circumcision try to market the undeniable decrease in sensitivity as an advantage, because this makes men "last longer" in bed.

Perhaps it is an advantage for those insatiable women who want a long sex session.

This ceases to be an advantage when the sex session lasts a little too long.

The sex begins to hurt, the man becomes frustrated because he is not any closer to climaxing, and the woman wonders to herself when in the world he's going to finish.

This is my own speculation, but it may be in fact, that the men aren't finishing, which could be ironically the reason these men procure the services of a prostitute, and why men are willing to pay the extra price.

Interesting facts:
According to the latest health demographic survey in Zimbabwe, HIV is more prevalent in circumcised men. (The figures were similar - circumcised 16.6%, non-circumcised 14.2% - in 2005, before the circumcision campaign began in 2009.)
Image courtesy of Circumstitions News.

In spite of the fact that circumcision hasn't helped prevent HIV in this, and many other countries, "mass circumcision campaigns" continue in Zimbabwe, and other countries with similar statistics.

Related Posts:
Where Circumcision Doesn't Prevent HIV 

Where Circumcision Doesn't Prevent HIV II